NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **The Archetypal Future Tech Space Empire** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:10 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Using RPs to advance your characters and do actual character development... but forgetting to write them into your factbooks.

It's like writing about Emperor Palpatine for only the Prequels in a Wiki overview, while forgetting about what happened in Episode 4-6, and.- yeah okay, that's better off that way. Bad example!

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Another err... Well, not cliche, but close: WIP not because you are lazy or out of ideas, but the opposite: At one point in the day, you were overwhelmed with so many ideas that you have no idea which one to start writing.

Can confirm

The Messianic Kingdom wrote:Me too.

Like, I want to but I got a lot of wacky ideas for all of my puppets, including this one which is about God and Earth after Armageddon. Long statement short: this puppet is based on Biblically-accurate stuff.

The good thing about The Messianic Kingdom is that its army are literal angels, meaning ‘haha, suck egg, you got lasers and spaceships I have the Angel of Death and there are a lot of angels.”

Now this is the kind of realism I wanna see here. So tell me, does the Demiurge do anything in your universe?

No, in fact, I deem the beliefs of Gnosticism not canon, not even the concept of a Demiurge, and Gnosticism was just weird to say it lightly. And Yaldabaoth is a dumb name for a god.

I know you’re expecting a detailed explanation but that’s all I have to say.

by **Hanoverian Great Britain** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:17 am

Valentine Z wrote:Imagine... just imagine.

For mine anyway, politics are secondary. It's just me and my tall characters. ♥

Or in my case, characters with stretched out romantic stories

by **Laka Strolistandiler** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:29 am

Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Imagine... just imagine.

For mine anyway, politics are secondary. It's just me and my tall characters. ♥

Or in my case, characters with stretched out romantic stories

Why have romantic stories when you can have your characters have stories from the warfare… Which unfortunately either happens behind the scenes or in a wierd sense of WW1 style warfare stretched out on modern combat because no one plays PT wars

by **Fahran** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:04 pm

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Why have romantic stories when you can have your characters have stories from the warfare… Which unfortunately either happens behind the scenes or in a wierd sense of WW1 style warfare stretched out on modern combat because no one plays PT wars

You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

by **Las Palmeras** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:26 pm

Fahran wrote:You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

Self-plug, but that cliché forms a subplot of a story for a puppet I'm working on...but...eheeehe...it'll be awkward AF and I expect to leave it's conclusion open. But that's the point:
An ex-Luftwaffe POW/alien resident that wants to date a former Soviet refugee in a xenophobic host country as if it were a cheesy rom-com. Y'know, sweet and wholesome. AFTER a decade of Generalplan Ost and a nuclear war that destroys Germany. Come to think of it, it's not really a "forbidden romance".

It's more of a "human affection from somebody whose people slaughtered my family and friends is freaking me the fuck out because I really want to hate them but I don't know what to do" story.

by **Aureumterra III** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:55 pm

Fahran wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Why have romantic stories when you can have your characters have stories from the warfare… Which unfortunately either happens behind the scenes or in a wierd sense of WW1 style warfare stretched out on modern combat because no one plays PT wars

You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

You may have just inspired something from me :lol:

by **Zitravgrad** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:10 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:
Fahran wrote:You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

Self-plug, but that cliché forms a subplot of a story for a puppet I'm working on...but...eheeehe...it'll be awkward AF and I expect to leave it's conclusion open. But that's the point:
An ex-Luftwaffe POW/alien resident that wants to date a former Soviet refugee in a xenophobic host country as if it were a cheesy rom-com. Y'know, sweet and wholesome. AFTER a decade of Generalplan Ost and a nuclear war that destroys Germany. Come to think of it, it's not really a "forbidden romance".

It's more of a "human affection from somebody whose people slaughtered my family and friends is freaking me the fuck out because I really want to hate them but I don't know what to do" story.

Actually, Miroslavsky and Feodora's romance played a bit on that trope but both of them kinda disregarded that because at that point most people were too fixated on their own happiness to care.

by **A m e n r i a** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:33 am

The Archetypal Future Tech Space Empire wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Can confirm

Now this is the kind of realism I wanna see here. So tell me, does the Demiurge do anything in your universe?

No, in fact, I deem the beliefs of Gnosticism not canon, not even the concept of a Demiurge, and Gnosticism was just weird to say it lightly. And Yaldabaoth is a dumb name for a god.

I know you’re expecting a detailed explanation but that’s all I have to say.

Oh it was run by you. Well, okay then, fair enough.

by **The Messianic Kingdom** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:56 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
The Archetypal Future Tech Space Empire wrote:No, in fact, I deem the beliefs of Gnosticism not canon, not even the concept of a Demiurge, and Gnosticism was just weird to say it lightly. And Yaldabaoth is a dumb name for a god.

I know you’re expecting a detailed explanation but that’s all I have to say.

Oh it was run by you. Well, okay then, fair enough.

Trust me, I’m gonna try making God sound exactly like the Bible describes him as.

by **Las Palmeras** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:20 pm

Zitravgrad wrote:Actually, Miroslavsky and Feodora's romance played a bit on that trope but both of them kinda disregarded that because at that point most people were too fixated on their own happiness to care.

Good on Miroslavsky and Fedora, as well as the interpersonal emotional support base around them. Or do you mean other characters in F7?

I'm sure the German from Hamburg and a Siberian will bond over complaining about the tropical weather of the colonies they were sent off to as ~~undesirables~~ immigrants.

by **The Fengtian Government** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:03 pm

I feel compelled to set up a dysfunctional relationship after reading all of these posts.

by **Hanoverian Great Britain** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:37 pm

Fahran wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Why have romantic stories when you can have your characters have stories from the warfare… Which unfortunately either happens behind the scenes or in a wierd sense of WW1 style warfare stretched out on modern combat because no one plays PT wars

You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

Generally, that's a good twist too but personally though, I favour the Edward VIII & Wallis Simpson type of romance, which is just probably just a modern Cinderella-like story

by **SS-AAA** » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:27 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:
Zitravgrad wrote:Actually, Miroslavsky and Feodora's romance played a bit on that trope but both of them kinda disregarded that because at that point most people were too fixated on their own happiness to care.

Good on Miroslavsky and Fedora, as well as the interpersonal emotional support base around them. Or do you mean other characters in F7?

I'm sure the German from Hamburg and a Siberian will bond over complaining about the tropical weather of the colonies they were sent off to as ~~undesirables~~ immigrants.

No, no, I meant in canon. Most people did not care except for some higher-ups in Miroslavsky's old Gendarmerie because surely a Gendarmerie marrying a daughter of a war criminal would normally raise a few brows, but I did not feel like the couple themselves would care too much, or certainly not enough to invoke "our relationship is wrong/forbidden".

It would be like a Soviet colonel marrying a daughter of a Nazi scientist they dragged out of Germany in Operation Osoaviakhim, but a surprisingly low damn was given about it.

by **Valentine Z** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:23 am

The first step of a chill and heartwarming relationship - get matching haircuts!

by **Holy Federation of Stars** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:12 am

Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:
Fahran wrote:You can do both. A forbidden romance between soldiers on opposite sides of a war.

Generally, that's a good twist too but personally though, I favour the Edward VIII & Wallis Simpson type of romance, which is just probably just a modern Cinderella-like story

~~Just without the support for fascists, I presume~~

by **Hanoverian Great Britain** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:27 am

Holy Federation of Stars wrote:
Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:
Generally, that's a good twist too but personally though, I favour the Edward VIII & Wallis Simpson type of romance, which is just probably just a modern Cinderella-like story

~~Just without the support for fascists, I presume~~

Ye, no funny fascist-ey stuff within it as a guarantee

by **A m e n r i a** » Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:24 am

Valentine Z wrote:The first step of a chill and heartwarming relationship - get matching haircuts!
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I've seen best friends get matching haircuts irl, so pretty accurate.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:56 pm

better idea: everyone should adopt turaniski's haircut, KJU style

by **The Fengtian Government** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:54 am

I’m wondering what happened to the other FT empires/galactic federations on the Soldiers’ thoughts thread

by **Savroyska** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:58 am

The Fengtian Government wrote:I’m wondering what happened to the other FT empires/galactic federations on the Soldiers’ thoughts thread

speaking of FT empires i might revamp the Scorpio Spikal Federation (the old one is awful like all of my other old nations)
uh
maybe i'm rambling too much

12 March 2022

Savroyska wrote:
The Fengtian Government wrote:I’m wondering what happened to the other FT empires/galactic federations on the Soldiers’ thoughts thread

speaking of FT empires i might revamp the Scorpio Spikal Federation (the old one is awful like all of my other old nations)
uh
maybe i'm rambling too much

My feel when a bunch of people here are maintaining several nations with complex lore at once and I'm over here juggling one nation that's 90% character writing.

by **The Realm of Hyrule** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:08 am

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:My feel when a bunch of people here are maintaining several nations with complex lore at once and I'm over here juggling one nation that's 90% character writing.

Tbf, Character Writing genuinely rivals Nation writing in content for Hyrule, so there's that.

by **Gandoor** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:16 am

This isn't a cliché about stuff NS users but the fact that so many issues are written as if all nations are similar to places like the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. (Namely in the sense of 'being a country once populated by indigenous people then colonized by people from another part of the world who became the majority population').

by **The Near Islands** » Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:35 am

Gandoor wrote:This isn't a cliché about stuff NS users but the fact that so many issues are written as if all nations are similar to places like the US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. (Namely in the sense of 'being a country once populated by indigenous people then colonized by people from another part of the world who became the majority population').

What's even funnier is when your nation is populated by said Indigenous people

Like, I got an issue where it was some native chieftain trying to get his land back. The Near Islands is one of the only indigenous-majority nation in North America canonically. The President is an Alaskan Native.

Who are you tryin' to get the land back from?

12 March 2022

Imagine having an indigenous population.
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